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The Start Rising Podcast, hosted by Caiti Courtier, is a show for entrepreneurs seeking personal growth and heightened positivity who are taking imperfect action. The podcast focuses on the topics of resilience and overcoming obstacles to achieve success, with an emphasis on questioning old beliefs and learning valuable lessons along the way. The podcast is aimed at entrepreneurs who may feel isolated on their journey and are looking for support during the beginning through growth stages of their business. By listening to the Start Rising Podcast, individuals can connect with like-minded individuals and gain inspiration to pursue their big audacious goals.
Start Rising Podcast
Episode 49: Entrepreneurship and Relationships: Navigating the Journey Together with Trevor Courtier
Does the entrepreneurial journey feel like a solo expedition, even though you have a partner by your side? Trevor, my husband, and I share our own enlightening journey navigating entrepreneurship within a relationship. We unpack the importance of communication, explaining how it can make or break your shared experience. We chat about the trials, triumphs, and all the tiny transitions in between, and emphasize the significance of expressing these changes to your partner. You'll discover how understanding and appreciating each other's unique communication styles can bridge gaps and clear confusion, making your entrepreneurial endeavor a shared adventure.
On this bumpy road of entrepreneurship, your loved ones can often feel like they're left in the dust. In our second segment, Trevor and I tackle this aspect head-on, recognizing the unique challenges they face when one partner is an entrepreneur. We underline the importance of clear thinking, empathy, and setting up expectations within the relationship. You'll hear how carving out time for your loved ones and reassuring them of your willingness to face the challenges together can fortify your bond.
In the final segment, Trevor and I reflect on our shared experiences and the breakthrough moments that defined our relationship. We recount our participation in Tony Robbins' four-day virtual event, a turning point that not only brought us closer but also reshaped our shared journey. We also unveil the story of the "Elvis wedding", a symbol of our pledge to support each other, and how such commitment can enhance your relationship. In recapping our journey, you'll realize the importance of communication in your growth and understanding of your partner, and how it can help you successfully navigate the challenging world of entrepreneurship as a couple. Join us, as we share our experiences and learnings that could help you chart your own path.
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I have my husband, trevor, back on the podcast for essentially a part two of discussing, from your partner's perspective, entrepreneurship and basically bringing them along on the journey and how we share some of the mistakes we've made and how maybe you can take those and use them to help with your relationship and share it with your loved ones, and you'll get to know us a little bit more in our backstory. Hope you like it. Let's dive in. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Start Rising podcast. You are joined today by myself, katie, and part two for Trevor, my husband joining us for the second half of the chat that he, lovely, set us up for at the very end. So welcome back, trev. How are you doing?
Speaker 2:Doing good. Thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, excited to dive back in with you to these topics and hopefully there'll be something that people can take away that might be able to help with them and their significant others. So, to recap, essentially we were discussing the communication piece and to like the different journey as far as how people move along the entrepreneurial path, like learning different aspects, self-improvement, self-development, that kind of stuff and then to basically know that people do that at different paces and our story is definitely a very true example of that and can cause some riffs and can cause some just, I suppose, opportunities to discuss. We'll call them that. I know we've had a few ups and downs. The piece that I'll take us back to as far as where that really started was probably back when I began doing my sex education course, where I was basically building course to help parents understand how to speak to their kids about sex education, and that became a bit of a rift because at that time Trevor was working as a full-time employee and it just it caused some cause, some discussions.
Speaker 2:Let's just say that I think you can say it caused some discussions. I think the bigger thing is that it caused confusion and I think, being the person who I am, I had to gain an understanding. There's definitely individuals who we are even friends with, couples who if one person tries to go do something, if the other person doesn't know, I mean like, then really they don't even ask about it. They're just like, oh, they're just doing their own thing. You know what I mean, but for me that's not the case. I was genuinely trying to gain a better understanding as to why is she going after this, the topic she's choosing, and also just like the different avenue of trying to make a career out of this. It was really different. Now, that being said, it was also a matter of I didn't respect the signs. Do you kind of know what I mean by that?
Speaker 1:Not really.
Speaker 2:So you building up to that, building up to that, actually, you had made numerous strides already in changing your frame of mind, changing your approach to the whole. Nine to five, you actually were on the journey well before me, well before me, but you and I getting to the journey together, basically you eventually grabbing me and bringing me on, it took a while. So what I mean by I ignored the signs, I wasn't paying enough attention to the changes that you were doing to truly improve yourself. So that's another aspect of it. So we didn't really communicate in the concept of us moving forward together.
Speaker 2:But the other aspect was me, as your partner, I did not notice the signs and that's kind of why, when we left off on the last episode, right, that key aspect of communication is so important because it can be the bridge to clearing up the fog right of confusion and also drive home you know the missing piece that the partner might not understand. It might actually be the real sign of like, no, like, this is what I'm going for and I want you to see it. And sometimes people think, oh, they're just going through a phase or whatever. It could be right, but but if it's true, change and change that you want your partner needs to know. And so that's what I mean by I miss the signs, because maybe I was telling myself, oh, she's just doing something that is fun for her right now, or whatever right. But no, this was real, very real, very real change, very real growth, and at the beginning of this I was missing it, very truthfully.
Speaker 1:Well, I think that's even, I suppose, our different levels of how we express our excitement about learning new things to one another. I think my way of kind of dropping those breadcrumbs to you and sharing in my excitement as I was listening to so many podcasts, as I was learning so many things was to share it with you, to basically send you a text message to say, hey, listen to this episode, or hey, I'm doing this five day event, or something like that. Like there were aspects that I'd share with you, but I think that wasn't necessarily received by you because at the time, you were very much, I mean, heck. This is a painting picture of when this was happening. This was like in 2020, the whole world was shutting down. We've got all of these things. We moved from Indiana to Iowa, so there was a whole lot of compounding factors around that, and my kind of solution was to put my head down to do everything I could to show you proof, instead of talking through what I was doing.
Speaker 2:I think no, you definitely were. But I do want to put the partner perspective on this too, Right?
Speaker 1:Place it.
Speaker 2:So you know, for your audience, this is the brutal honesty. All right, here we go Raw, don't you know?
Speaker 1:unfiltered unfiltered.
Speaker 2:Here we go. No, first and foremost, you're absolutely right. We were moving from Indiana to Iowa, but we were able to make that move because I was able to land a job Right, and you know, and still working. That job it's remote, so during COVID it was massively beneficial, right, and still able to earn regular income. But the move right, you had not acquired a regular job yet, so the income portion of everything for us was only coming from me.
Speaker 2:But there was an exchange between that for you and me. I had mentioned to you numerous times that I was like hey, I'm going to work, but there is clearly something that you need to work on. Because you are so excited for so many of these other opportunities, I want you to just take this time. While I will work, I want you to take this time and I want you to work on this thing. Right, and that was, that was our message to each other. That was kind of the agreed upon exchange, that if you're going to make it work, Okay, then I will work, I will do the income portion for us. That way we can stay home together, we can kind of mitigate our costs for some stuff, but while I'm doing that, then you go and work on this, right, that was, that was the trade off. But when you were sending me the breadcrumbs, like you were talking about, right, the thing that was tough.
Speaker 2:The thing that was tough is that it felt like you wanted me to join you in something that I had not seen you succeed at yet and it it felt like a weird common tag along thing as opposed to you showing the growth for you. Because that was the trade off. I mean, does it make sense? Like I was the one working in something that, to be honest, I was just kind of like, yeah, this is, this is work. Okay, it's something completely different for me, but it was our means to an end. We got a chance to move closer to family, or at least one side of it, and we were able to have something remote during the whole COVID thing.
Speaker 2:So it was a win-win. And but in exchange, I wanted you to just focus on you and when you kept polling me to kind of follow you, it felt it felt like you were missing the mark to me, to me, right. That obviously not in your mind, but in my mind. The reason why we would have ups and downs is because I was like I thought you were going to knit, like it was false hope on me and it was in that very much rippled to you. Like I was, like I thought you were going to work on yourself and you know, succeed and blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, for I mean, granted, I definitely strapped that rock to my back and basically kind of worked from the second. My butt hit that seat at my desk from like seven in the morning till 11, 1130 at night building this program 100%.
Speaker 2:your work ethic is second to non-hunt. Seriously, I don't want my comment not under my I get it.
Speaker 2:I get it no idea that she is incredible. She's incredible at this, you know. But but again, that being said, as the partner's perspective, it just didn't feel like your focus was driven back to you. I didn't want, I guess, in a weird sense I didn't want you focusing on me. Does that kind of make sense? Like I didn't want you to take your energy? You know from the opportunity that I felt like I was able to basically kind of give you right and I didn't want you to utilize it on me. I truly wanted you to have it for you.
Speaker 1:It's an interesting perspective and that was kind of your side of that, and mine was like I'm so excited, I just learned this new thing. Come along with me, I want to share, like I don't know. That's kind of how I show that I care about you. If I see something that I think you might like, I'll share it with you, and that's I mean. Granted, we'll see that now fast forward to 2023, but sending TikToks to each other, it's mainly me to him, and that's me showing that I'm thinking about you.
Speaker 2:I'm not so good at this, but I won't fight you on it, because the ratio is probably easily a three to one on that.
Speaker 1:Easily. But anyway, I think your understanding of what I was capable of was spurred from what my desire was. So your opinion was formed around. I had high hopes. I had, like these big goals, like for every entrepreneur. That 10K month is like the big coveted how much you earn in a month piece, that's the sign that you've started to make it. And I did not get anywhere near the hat at all. But I now understand there's different reasonings and different mindset pieces and different kind of the way I went about things was very different than what I would do now. So I kind of just took that ethic of work so hard, grind so hard, hustle so hard, that that's what you're doing. I think people can smell the desperation in what you're doing and I think that was how it came across when I was doing that.
Speaker 2:You know, probably I mean probably, hun but you know I never want you to undermine the work that you did for the parents' Exit Blueprint. You need to understand that that was still an accomplishment and that's from. If no one else tells you that today, of course, let me be the one to tell you that Because it was still an accomplishment, whether it gets utilized further down the track which it should okay in my eyes it should but you should never think of the effort as it was. You know different minds and everything you had to grind because, also, you didn't have better resources your project in all actuality, especially for, you know, the United States, actually, for a couple of things, for a couple of countries US, australia, the blueprint itself there's not really resources like it.
Speaker 2:So you weren't able to make things that people were already accustomed to right. So you were breaking barriers with that type of product and I think that's where it became a real hardship as your first product. Right, you know, but never, never think of it. As you know, work so hard for so little. You still worked hard to create an incredible product and later down the track we will find its, you know, solution path.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's something that, even being a couple of years attached from it, now looking at it and just seeing, wow, how much effort I put into it I even looked at it not too long ago and like I was crying because of the level of effort I put into it.
Speaker 1:But that entrepreneurial drive space your role as an entrepreneur essentially is creating things that don't exist and that's where that product came in and that's also part of the. I suppose the hardship of where that wedge kind of drove between us, as me trying to succeed in something that was so out of the box and trying to market something with the word sex in it For something that it doesn't actually talk about sex in the traditional sense was very hard to do right out the gate of my first venture. But I do believe that'll come back and there's definitely lessons that I've taken from how I went about that and what I did and not taking myself as a failure, because I think part of my beating myself up at that point was because I felt like I'd failed you and I think I probably withdrew and didn't communicate because I felt like I let us down.
Speaker 2:Well, why don't we bring it back to that whole point? Right, you know this aspect of entrepreneurs and their communication with, really the ones who are in desperate desire to support you, right, your loved ones. I, from my perspective, the very first thing I can tell you is that yours and my style of communication are love language. Right, is something that took us longer than maybe some folks, but our desire to make things work is what caused us to take time to really learn it right. And I think, as an entrepreneur, your patience is a key factor, because if you really want to be an entrepreneur in today's world, I think almost more than anything now, you need to get over the concept of things happen in an instant. You're playing the long game. You're playing the long game. You're playing the long game. You start to understand that you need to get away from what our world is developing into, which is a level of instant gratification. Right, and if you don't have overnight success, you're a failure. Those trains of thought are not there. So you need to be able to communicate to your loved ones when you're going on these ventures. You know that they are long endeavors. They are you know what. Tonight, I'm putting in the extra two hours to work on this aspect of it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, like but, but along with that, the aspect of asking, asking for the help, because sometimes you come on in and you as the partner, you just see your partner and they are grinding and they're rubbing their eyebrows and they're shaking their head, and it's the whole entrepreneurial process solving problems right and understanding what people's problems are to solve. It's not, it's not easy, contrary to what any of these, like boot camps, want to tell you. Are there pockets of wisdom that you should hope to try to find, and everything Absolutely. And can those pockets of wisdom be golden nuggets for you? Absolutely, but in those pockets of wisdom, right, the reason why they settle and they root deeper for some folks than others is because those wisdoms come from people knowing those styles of failures or those hardships right. That's why that whole instant gratification. You need to understand that it's an up and down battle constantly and your partner, when they see you going through the down portions of it, sometimes they just don't know what to do. And that was kind of the key thing from there.
Speaker 1:So what would you say to someone who has got this idea and is really excited and wanting to share it with their partner and they just don't understand? Or their partner tries to essentially talk them out of it, like, what advice would you give them, having been the partner on the other side that doesn't quite understand what your partner is doing? Like you just don't get it.
Speaker 2:Well, coming from someone who many times wanted to tell you to just stop again cards on the table but the many times that I wanted to tell you to stop is because I just didn't want to see you struggle. I think the first level of advice is letting them know that you're comfortable with the struggle. When I saw you going through the hardship of delivering our son, I will never forget the feeling of feeling helpless because here was something you had to go through alone and I couldn't take any of that hardship away from you. So I just wanted to tell you that no-transcript. As a partner, as a husband, I have to tell you that that is something that I feel like I thrive on. When I know that there are problems or challenges you face and I'm able to help you or take that struggle away from you. It gives me a sense of purpose.
Speaker 2:So some of your partners out there one of their aspects or one of their things that makes them feel thriving in the relationship is the knowledge that they can help take your hardship away or help you through it.
Speaker 2:But sometimes, when they're suggesting that, it's because they don't understand that you are willing to go through this hardship to have the success on the other side.
Speaker 2:So you kind of need to open up that line of communication, you need to let them know your comfortability level and you need to also let them know that if, for any reason, something wasn't to work out right in the venture, right that you did consider, you know what are the outcomes and everything.
Speaker 2:Because I think a lot of times, some of the, some of the constant like what are they doing? Type of thought patterns, comes from the fact that they are thinking that you haven't come through, Thinking that you haven't considered like outcomes or scenarios right. So be thoughtful in the approach and be understanding that their potential suggestion of an aspect of giving it up or not going through with it, it could literally be because it's the easier choice for you to not struggle. It's still a sign of them giving you the suggestion to lift the burden from you and that could still be a sign of love. It's just, it's just there, but it's not from a level of understanding of what you need and that's the real, that's the real line of communication that I think most people miss.
Speaker 1:And part of that, I think, comes back to. It's placed on your heart because it's your passion. It's not placed on your partner's heart Like they're going to understand. They're probably going to be the closest one to you to help understand that but they're just doing their best to care for you in the way that they can. One thing that, if I was to go back and do it differently, or things I'm doing now, is making sure you're still setting aside time for people that are important to you, because it is so easy just to do what I did the 7am to 11pm every single day and I didn't. Honestly, I didn't feel like it was a good I hesitate to say it, but like what didn't think it was a good use of my time spending my time with you when I could be putting my effort towards doing other things, because in my mind, I was doing it for us. So I was working on stuff for us, but in a different way, but that completely dismissed you.
Speaker 2:So I want you to think about what that formula looks like. I don't want to spend time with you, but I want to work on something that's going to better both of us, without you.
Speaker 1:I don't even know how to kind of respond to that, but I mean, I understand how you're breaking it down. It's that selfless piece At least that was me attempting to, because I was the one that was kind of one step ahead in that kind of thought process no, no no, you're absolutely right, but I want to bring it back to your original point with it.
Speaker 2:Right Is that you don't want to make it sound harsh? Right that you felt like it was maybe a waste of time?
Speaker 1:It was almost like I didn't feel like I deserved to spend time with you because I hadn't done enough on my like to-do list, gotten far enough, earned enough money from the product. That's where it came through.
Speaker 2:And you and I have talked about this. So again, coming to you guys with the behind the scenes, this stems from the fact that, again, I was the one earning money for the house. Yes, it came from a level of disappointment in yourself because you were like I'm going to do it and when you didn't see money coming in or you providing some financial support, you took it. So personally and, to be honest, rightfully so I would be in the same boat if I had taken that leap. Even right now I'm on parental leave, but I am asking for you to take the reins so I can spend 10 hours a day and trying to accomplish a certification that normally is supposed to take six months in the time span of a few weeks. It's not easy, right? And every day that I'm not sitting at that desk learning a whole new skill without an actual physical mentor, it's draining, it's discouraging. I get it, I 100% get it.
Speaker 2:But I think this is just a beautiful way for people to just take a second and realize that if your true goal of being an entrepreneur is to create more opportunity in yours and your loved ones lives, then it does take an understanding from your loved ones and it has to come from you, okay, Because sometimes your loved ones, they just don't wanna see you struggle and at the end of the day, more than often than not, they're just gonna tell you to stop because they just don't want you to go through the struggle. That's all. That's all it is. But you gotta communicate because at the end of the day, you need to take time so they know what the journey is. You need to take time to understand that the struggle is acceptable, that the struggle is acceptable to you and that you have created a level of comfort in that struggle. When they understand that when you are shaking your head and you are getting a headache, you've accepted going through those motions.
Speaker 1:I'd even change the word struggle to be like I mean, it's kind of like a labor of love, like you've got a reason for what you're doing, like you're creating something out of basically thin air, based out of an idea, so it's bringing it to life as far as-.
Speaker 2:And that is a great entrepreneurial way to spin that. From your partner's perspective, it will be a vision of struggle.
Speaker 1:Probably.
Speaker 2:So both are true, both are very true. So, to your listeners out there, we've kind of talked quite a bit about where the buildup came for us. I would like to know to you, though my question to you what was the breakthrough moment? When did you feel like our level of understanding of making our ultimate goal of being able to be active in each other's side of the family's lives which ultimately means we have to be financially successful and everything else right, but when do you feel like you and I really got on the same level?
Speaker 1:I would probably say very recently. So we did the virtual Unleash the Power within Tony Robbins four day event. Gosh, I was 32 weeks pregnant, so in March. So I think that was when you agreed.
Speaker 2:And for those of you who don't know, Tony Robbins events you are moving the entire time, okay, and my incredible wife yes, at 32 weeks pregnant is up, down, jump around and everything, and I'm sure our son was in there going. What is happening?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Let's just say there was some feet swelling. There was no feet swelling beforehand, but there definitely was afterwards.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, those little titties, but I feel, like at that moment.
Speaker 1:So the way Tony Robbins and a lot of other people do that that you'd likely be familiar with is they have that like a challenge set up beforehand to then lead into the sale, so like they're delivering the value and then they're coming in with it if you can want to continue on this path.
Speaker 1:So I remember thinking there's no way he's actually gonna say yes to this, but bringing it to you and just saying, hey, any chance you would be interested in doing this. And I had my hesitations with that too, because, with it being four days, you're taking time off work as well, and I was like, oh, I can't use my vacation days. So I already had a little bit of hesitation there, very minutely, as far as my protection mechanism and my excuse for it. But when Trevor actually said yes, let's do it, and he was willing to take time off as well, and we both, as Tony Robbins says, played full out in it, that was kind of the point that I felt like we were finally on the same page as far as working towards bettering ourselves outside of the normal climb up the career ladder. It was like, no, I'm grabbing a hand, I'm walking with you on this. That was the point that I felt that we were finally, after many years, progressing that same way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would definitely say the Tony Robbins event really kind of kicked some things into gear. I would say the thing that drove at home for me more so though, I think was it was a little bit. It was actually when we heard the heartbeat for Ollie, and the reason why was because we were, we had actually just been fighting the night before and we had made a discussion point about is everything we are working on helping us, and I think we eventually ended it on just stopping the conversation because we were just so mad. But after we heard the heartbeat, you had taken like three pregnancy tests so we knew for a fact there was a baby in there.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I still, unless I saw proof.
Speaker 2:But when we heard the heartbeat, it never became a question of the actions that we are doing are for us. It was what are the actions we are gonna do to, or what are the actions we're gonna do for him? Because we feel like he deserves to have just such an incredible life, and you and I both agree that in order for him to have an incredible life, he needs to be able to have availability to experience it with both sides of the family, and he deserves that, and they deserve that. We've already been working so hard. Actually, a little side note for your viewers maybe they know it, maybe they don't, but you and I have been married. In two years will be our 10 years technically, Because we had a, as my mother puts it, an Elvis wedding.
Speaker 2:We went to the courthouse and we didn't just do that because we thought it'd be fun to go get married. No, we actually, the night before we talked about, well, wait, what does the next step have to be? And we realized that, in order for me to place or you to get to the next level of anything, we needed to show to the governments Australian government and the US government of immigration that we were serious. And so we decided, okay, let's be serious, we want to be together but we need to plot the course. So us doing that, even though it wasn't fancy. Eventually we had a beautiful wedding. We eventually had our very beautiful wedding, but we talked about this recently my mother still was the maddest I think she's ever been.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, we had. So to paint the picture of what was happening is I had basically exhausted all options as far as the ability to stay in the US and I had also exhausted the ability for the visa that I was on, so there was no other option for us that we were able to find if we wanted to be in the same country as one another. Like we had exhausted all options, we'd already decided we wanted to be together. So our courthouse wedding was less than a week before I was to leave the US and fly back to Australia. So it was a kind of I don't know desired decided the last minute that this is we've looked at all options.
Speaker 2:The reason why I tell this aspect of the story is because, again, when we heard the heartbeat though all of these unique and, to be honest, harder decisions that we've made to eliminate time restrictions, because you and I, our relationship has always been on the clock yeah, are we going to be able to spend this year together, and then one of us has to go, or whatever.
Speaker 1:How long can we be in the same place before one of us has to leave? Or how long am I waiting until I see that other person again?
Speaker 2:So the literally halfway around the world, because from where you're at is right around that 9,000 mark and diameter of the world is 18. So you know, we know what it feels like to be world apart and we made hard decisions for us a long time ago to remove barriers and restrictions. So when I heard that heartbeat for me it started to change the way I thought about the actions we needed to take to make insurances that he also would not have to worry about time restraints or he would have to wait such a long time to go see this side or that side of the family. You know, just recently he's a dual citizen now, which is incredible. Kids not even or is just going on, three months old and now he's a dual citizen and we but.
Speaker 2:But it's because we know that things take time and we know that if we don't start now, right to when he gets to whatever age of whatever goal we want to get to, if we don't start now, right, it will just delay and delay and delay, and that's not fair to him. So that's what I mean by when I heard the heartbeat. It switched my train of thought to thinking about us, to thinking about no, my actions now need to give to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's a big, a big piece for bringing the partner along that doesn't quite understand what you see. It's bringing them up to speed in a way of sharing what you see with them. You're painting the picture for them. You're understanding. It's not you're doing this against them or to take time away from them. It's no, stand beside me and let's unite together. And I think that was the heartbeat for you, was something that was that tipping point to know this is the direction we're headed.
Speaker 2:Right, well, but I mean in all actuality, it still comes back down to a level of communication. You and I are only on the same page because we, a long time ago, aligned with the understanding that we, no matter how we do it, our number one goal is our family has to be close in our lives. Well, that means barriers or borders need to go away. We need to have the ability to go between, because it's not, it's not fair for us to ask that on our family. It's not.
Speaker 1:No, this is our goal. It's either. For a long time, it's felt like it's either either or like it's one person's winning, one person's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that whole freedom piece is a really important value to us.
Speaker 2:It is, it really is. So we've gone on a few times.
Speaker 1:We've went on a few times, but now you know a bit more about us, that's OK.
Speaker 2:And that's OK. You know what For your, for your listeners out there, guys, that's OK, you should go on tangents, you should have that yes. If we were to in essence, wrap up part two and maybe we can talk into part three, whatever it needs to be.
Speaker 1:We'll say, we'll say what the people think.
Speaker 2:I do want to just leave it with a small little reminder. I've said it a couple times. You'll probably, if I'm on the podcast, again, if she thinks I did a good job, which is a little debatable I want you guys, from your partner's perspective, for anyone who's listening, hey, take a moment and if they are someone who truly wants you to succeed, thank them. Ok, know their love language, think of them in that sense. Ok, you know, but hey, take the moment and just let them know what are you trying to do, what's your goals, and let them know your level of comfortability for the journey that it is OK. Once you do that, I guarantee you I can. I can guarantee you this is a free podcast, right, so I can say money back, ok.
Speaker 2:I can guarantee you your free Nesbac that it will. It will allow them to be more comfortable with this, and I think that right there is a step in the right direction, and you know what Any entrepreneur will tell you your journey. It all begins with steps, and this is just one of them.
Speaker 1:And my recommendation I mean, granted, give it or take it or leave it is basically to communicate with them what you're going through and what you're doing. Because I think if you, if you're just trying to keep it under wraps because you don't want to bring them on the entrepreneurial roller coaster with you, they're likely to not understand and that might be nerve wracking and just kind of anxiety provoking because they they don't know what you're going on with the day to day and that the ups and downs and oh, this was a great win, oh, this is a hard day, like that's part of it. But bringing them along with you so they feel like they are part of it, they don't have to take on any of the aspects that you're doing or the burden, but that's just going to ultimately help the relationship, to help them understand what you're doing and to then maybe figure out in any way they can help you step up and step forward.
Speaker 2:Yep, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yep, all right. Well, I think that's us for this episode. Thank you very much for joining me. I appreciate it, and thank you to all our listeners.
Speaker 2:Hey, thanks for having me again.
Speaker 1:All right, see you next time guys.