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Episode 47: Overcoming Fear and Perfectionism: A Midlife Journey to Writing and Personal Transformation with Terri Mullen
Imagine writing and self-publishing your first book. Incredible, right? That's exactly what our guest, Terri Mullen, a midlife transformation coach and founder of Hello Redlo did. She's not just an author but an inspiring figure who overcame her perfectionism and limiting beliefs to pursue her dreams. By sharing her personal story, Terri aims to empower women to break free from fear and doubt, and to face their journey of personal growth with courage and authenticity.
Unleashing your creativity and transforming an idea into a book is no small feat, but Terri shows us that it's possible. She shares her journey of self-publishing, from managing the technicalities to dealing with emotional challenges. This episode is not just about writing a book, but also about challenging our doubts, fears, and feelings of being unqualified. It's about doing the emotional work, finding a supportive community of like-minded individuals, and celebrating our successes without the fear of standing out.
What if, instead of being held back by our fears and doubts, we used them as a springboard towards our dreams and passions? That’s the question that Terri and I explore in depth. We reflect on how acknowledging our progress can be incredibly motivating and empowering. We also delve into the importance of being role models for our children, showing them how struggles and authenticity are part of growth. So, are you ready to take the leap towards your transformation and personal growth? Don't miss out on this conversation that could be a starting point for your own journey.
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Hey everyone, you are here today with Katie Cordier on the Start Rising podcast. Thank you so much for joining us, and I say us because I have a special guest on here with me today and I'll tell you a little bit about them. My guest today is someone who puts her best foot forward, stepping into confidence one step at a time. She is a midlife transformation coach and has fully stepped into the space. Her overall growth sets her soul on fire. She is leading by example and the founder of Hello Red Low. She has a podcast called Hello Red Low and the author of a bestselling book on Amazon. Stepping forward, she is a champion of others, leading with empowerment and compassion, holding up a mirror to ask the questions that you need to hear. Welcome to the podcast, terri Mullin.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, it almost makes me cry. Thank you for having me. It's such a pleasure to be here and I'm grateful to be here. Thank you.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's so awesome to have you here and have our listeners learn from all of your experience and, knowing what you've been able to achieve Just really want to showcase that. So do you want to tell the listeners a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2:Sure, I am 59 years old. I wrote and published my first book, as Katie knows, at 59, called Step Forward. I have a podcast and I'm the mother of four awesome adult humans. I've been married for 33 years and I step forward into this space of helping other women out of my own story and my passion to help other women know that it's never too late to pursue your passions and your dreams. So that's how I've landed here and you and I met, I think, through a course that we took together, and you have empowered me to just with who you are, and I'm grateful for you because you contributed to me getting my book done.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, the feeling is so mutual, like I'm so inspired by you doing those. I see the lives that pop up on Facebook and just knowing that you're getting out there and and putting things out into the world, it's like all right, if Terry can do it and other people can do it, then I can do it. So I use you as like I'm suppose I'm someone who watches from the sidelines of stuff that you're doing and just knowing that that your reach that you do have is far more than you think you may have. So I just want to offer you kudos for that.
Speaker 2:Wow, that just blesses me today, because I sometimes you just keep doing this and you're doing it blindly and all that doubt kind of comes in. And when I hear things like this, like it just it excites me, because you've been told that people are watching from the sidelines. You just don't always know and just keep telling your story, keep doing your thing, keep empowering people. And when I hear stuff like that, it just it's motivation for me too. So thank you for sharing that. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely. And as that like granted, my previous professional life was as a teacher and they say, like, as teaching, you never, you never know your impact until you like, maybe meet them like many, many years down the track, when they graduated high school, and they come back to you and they say, hey, there was this thing that you said or did, or something like that. I equate it to that aspect too. So you've got plenty of reach.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Absolutely so. The title that you've given yourself as the the midlife transformation course was that like something that you were you self appointed, that someone said, hey, like this is fantastic thing you do. Like. How did you get to that title?
Speaker 2:It's actually been a process. Honestly, when I think back, it was hard for me to say I'm a coach. Four years ago I, my own coach, said to me you need to be a coach like me, why? Why do I need to be a coach? I'm not doing too much. And she said exactly that's exactly why you need to do it. And it scared me. It seemed so daunting back then. And so this process over the years has evolved, and so is the process of the title, of what I've given myself, and so my book was probably what really launched all of this, and transformation and helping women through these different life transitions that we go through is really what landed me at that title for myself and for helping other women. Yeah, I guess that's the best way to describe it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's awesome, like I, just one of those things that people don't think they need but they need. And there's specifically like, what you talk about in your podcast is like you're going through one phase of life to the other and you're walking across that suspension bridge and it's uncertain. And then I love that you use metaphors, because I'm a metaphor girl myself and all of those aspects, and I think that's something that's very much needed. As far as having someone to guide the way, and you've been through so much yourself. Is there anything that you want to kind of like elaborate on, to share with people? As far as your experiences where you've got to as a coach and then the thing that led you to being like well, it'd be great to put this out into a book.
Speaker 2:I probably did it. I say baths backwards because everybody says, well, there's two schools of thought Do the book and then go do the other part, or do the coaching and then, somewhere along the way, write a book. But I've always been a writer. If I think about, one of the things I've loved, wanted to do, is be a writer. I just kind of denied that my whole life. So I've come about this kind of the long way around and finally given myself permission and I took a course that helped me write my book. There were good things and not so great things about it. It was a group.
Speaker 2:I think having a one-on-one coach help you get through that process is much better. But it kind of has become what they say is like your new business card. Your book is your new business card. But it also became the platform for my coaching platform, which I now call step forward coaching. So step forward has become a huge mantra in my life, just to keep stepping forward, keep moving through these difficult things in our lives. And, as you know, in the book I use 10 shoes as the metaphors for things to overcome in your life the limiting beliefs of the battle boots and then also the things that I needed to step forward, to move forward with my life. So that's kind of the process I've used. I just evolved.
Speaker 2:I think, when we start going down these roads of first of all admitting that we really want to do something with our life after we've raised our kids, for me that was a huge aha moment, that was a very transformational moment in my life. And then, yeah, really taking ownership and owning that and realizing, oh wait, I can do this. I have people that have gone before me that are doing it. If they can do it, well, I guess I can do it too. And then giving myself permission to actually go do it and do it messy.
Speaker 2:I say do it messy, do it scared, do it imperfect, and just go do it anyway. And you just have to get over yourself to do it, to move forward and do these things and have the courage to do it. And it's fun. It's so fun, I think, when you step into who you really created to be and finally pay attention to those small whispers in your voice area, in your soul, and move into that and, just like with what you're doing too, when you really honor that, you can really soar and you can bless others in your life and that's really the fun part about it. Did I answer the question?
Speaker 1:I love that. How, moving forward, doing it messy, doing it scared, doing it imperfect, I think that whole aspect of oh, hey, it has to be perfect, it has to be perfect. I've been learning myself, so I've been going through is it because it is good enough to put out there or is it using perfectionism as a defence mechanism to not put it out there? Because I've kind of evolved and you've probably seen it too specifically in your coaching role is, when people say, oh, it's not good enough or like it has to be perfect or something like that, your little antenna goes ding, ding, like that's a protection mechanism and if people are willing to let you challenge that and to kind of hold that mirror up for them.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, and I'd love to take credit for it. I need to just say that that quote came from a woman named Barry Baumgartner. She was just on Dean Graziosi's On your Future, so I want to give credit for that quote. That's really. It's not mine, I don't have any other words, but I have another coach that said you know, every master was once a disaster, and so that's it too. Like we have to be willing to just get over ourselves. And I'm a recovering perfectionist. I drive my husband insane and I've come a long way after 59 years. But that's a big limiting belief that we all have to get over in order to, because if we stay stuck in that perfectionism, trying to be perfect, we'll never make progress, we'll never do it, we'll never stay stuck right where we are, because it's never going to be good enough. So, anyway, I hope that helps.
Speaker 1:Oh, it definitely does, and that's the kind of essence of this podcast is like what are you holding back and what do you know you could be great at if you actually tried? Like what's going to light your soul on fire? And that's exactly what you talk about in your book, in your podcast, and how you do things and show up for people. Is there a certain, I suppose, moment or like event that happened in your life that you were like I'm done playing small, like now it's time to know amount of fear is bad enough to stop me from wanting to do the thing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%. I had kind of a perfect storm. Honestly, my husband was incredibly successful. I came from an entrepreneurial background, grew up in the family restaurant business for years and then my parents divorced when we moved to California, helped my mom build her business her swan business to stick figure business. So that's always been in my blood to be an entrepreneur. And then, you know, I got married, had kids, stayed home and then we kind of hit kind of.
Speaker 2:First of all, my youngest went into high school and I was like, okay, what's next for me? I'm still young enough, I want to figure out what I can do with my life and I still have all this in me and wanted to write a book and just wasn't sure where it was going to go. And then we went through some really, really difficult things with my husband and it just kind of launched. I'm like, okay, now I have, there's nothing to be afraid of. Like life has turned upside down. We've gone through really hard things and the hardest part for me was letting people see who I am. Right. I I got that was telling you, I'll sit here, I'll ask all the questions on my podcast. I love learning about everybody else, but to talk about myself and be vulnerable. Oh, huge, hard, and that was probably the hardest thing for me to get over. And finally, once I did, and I realized who cares? No one's really paying that much attention, nobody, I mean. People care, but they don't care. And so why am I hiding? Why, why not take this mess and these different things that I've learned in my life throughout my life, these difficult things I've overcome, and share that? Why not go make a difference in somebody else's life? And finally, when I was able to embrace that and get to that place, I've been able to do it and but I did do. I've done a lot of work I've done.
Speaker 2:It's been constant. Every time you move forward and try something new, you have bigger hurdles to overcome and fear comes at you in such a big way, wants to devour you. And it does right. It's coming at you fierce, and I think the key is just having that awareness. You know, for so long I suppressed the things I felt or thought about oh, no, no, no. And once you recognize it and you can name it and you're like oh, there you are, I recognize you. Nope, you know, get in the back seat, I'm not, I'm not going there anymore, and then you just keep moving forward and, and I think once you press through that that's where, that's where the healing and the growth really happens. So does that help?
Speaker 1:It does, it really does, and it just echoes so much of that early to middle entrepreneur stage where just those voices of fear and the doubt and just all of those nasties that can kind of come up and you think about. Well, the way I'm talking to myself in my head, it's the way you wouldn't talk to your best friend or like anyone you meet, like when you kind of are aware of it, like wow, I'm being kind of snippy to myself, like you can tell them. Okay, it's sort of like feelings, emotions, whatever it is like all right, go take a seat If I can name you and I can move forward and continue with these things 100%.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And your your journey of getting through these things and you've been someone who now correct me if I'm wrong. You show up on social media with your red lucky cap.
Speaker 2:That is a Tony.
Speaker 1:Robbins hat right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is Live lucky, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That has a huge meaning in my life. So yes, yes.
Speaker 1:And I love how the red ties to. So to paint a picture for Terry's book, the front cover of her book is it's a red book. Her Hello Red Lowe is older, spelled backwards, so it's a fun way of looking at that and her like branding is like red and white and she has these really cute little like converse red shoes and her she has like high heels for other things, so like power shoes and things like that, and has those shoe metaphors as well.
Speaker 2:So I love how it's tied together. Thank you, I got my sparkle shoes on today. They're my good luck shoes, so I've got those on today.
Speaker 1:I'm wearing my hot pink tights because I'm calling them my confidence pants.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. Hey, it works, it does. That gives you that empowerment.
Speaker 1:You know you need it.
Speaker 2:So step into whatever that is for you, that gives you that courage and the confidence you need it. Great, absolutely. I wanted to circle back to something because it just.
Speaker 2:I had this thought that triggered when you asked me what was you know what really triggered something to get me to do what I'm doing now, in midlife? But I also wanted to share that. I got midlife and realized I'm halfway through my life. I don't want to have any regrets. It's either now. It's because, if not now, as Dean Graziosi says if not now, when?
Speaker 2:And I thought, am I going to live a life that I'm proud of? Am I going to live a life where I live a legacy for my daughters, for my kids? I'm going to live a legacy for my daughters, for my kids, for my grandkids, that it's never too late. I had a grandfather and that's the whole other story. I share that in my book that he had an eighth grade education and he built his business from nothing and he sold his restaurant at 90 years old and I thought, OK, if he can do this he was my role model If he can do this, well, why can't I? So I wanted to circle back with that, because that really was also very, very pivotal for me to realize I'm halfway through my life and what's next?
Speaker 1:So absolutely it's. It's a beautiful way to kind of have that the pause and reflect moment, and I think what I've noticed since having my son, oli, who's just going on four months, is you look at them and you think I'm, I'm doing everything for you, like I want to be the example, I want to be the person that you're essentially, metaphorically standing on the shoulders of, so you don't have to spend all the time unlearning or relearning stuff that we did, and to be able to be that and champion for them. So then they go oh yeah, this is, this is normal. Like if mom can do this, if dad can do this, like, oh, you know, like my grandfather did this, like that instills in you, like that's, it's in your blood, essentially like to be able to do that for them. That's what?
Speaker 2:yeah, 100 percent. And I think the thing I've learned to with for my kids is that, back to the perfectionism. I think it's good for us, for our kids to see us struggle, to go through hard things, to be authentic, to be real, because when it all looks perfect, that feels unattainable for them. So it's empowering for them to see you go through difficult things, to hear your story of the difficult things you went through, and those are tools in their toolbox that when they come to a crossroad in their own life, they're going to know oh, mom and dad did that. If they did that, well, so can I. I can do these hard things. So, right along with what you're saying, it's it's awesome that you already have that perspective.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and I even like I mean, granted, I'm someone who listens, like Dean Graciosi, tony Robbins, like all of those like people who are like powerhouses in the space, and I even went and I love Glennon Doyle's book and have a hat of hers. Well, I got a hat and I put a quote on it that says we can do hard things, and that's like our little family mantra. In all credit to Glennon Doyle and her work, but OK, now I'm going to have.
Speaker 2:Now I'm good to go by that hat. That's awesome.
Speaker 1:Granted, I went on Etsy and you can like customize what you want from there and I was like ding, I know. And so this person just machine embroidered it for me.
Speaker 2:That's so cool. I love that, love that.
Speaker 1:I would just make him own little like wearing my perspective things and just setting those intentions. But I mean the example for our kids and even like having your kids sit like adult children, like essentially rally and kind of really step into the power like they've known you as, like one thing, and then they're like, wow, she's really evolved and she's getting after it, all those things, and I think that's the greatest gift you can give to your kids to lead in that way, so they can do those things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they're my biggest cheerleader, so it just makes me so happy, it's. That's a wonderful feeling, so yeah.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and so we're going to kind of pivot slightly just because I want to showcase what you're working on and those kind of aspects.
Speaker 1:So it's basically a timely chat, because Terry was one of the people who went through when I initially did my Learn how To Self Publish workshop and she went through and that's essentially part of the reason that her book is on Amazon now, where, of course, all credit to her and an additional program she took to get the writing aspect down, because I'm going to be honest, that's not my forte. I would love to be able to have a novel and maybe that's on the cards one day, but right now focusing a little bit differently, but for her to be able to take an idea from her head, create it and then put it out to be able to serve people. Did you want to take us through like how you went through that process and how you kind of I suppose your sticking points as doing that, because it's like I suppose it's your book baby, it's giving birth to your thoughts and putting that out there, so did you want to talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wish I knew the statistics. There's some really powerful statistics about the amount of people that actually want to write a book and then those that actually do and those that actually get it published. I don't know it off the top of my head but it's pretty powerful, I think, for me, for most writers. I think most writers probably have a book already in them, already started, already on their computer, shoved somewhere in their drawer, like I've had. I actually have another book already written and that's the book I thought I was going to start with.
Speaker 2:But then I took another course that kind of launched me like I was sharing in the beginning, kind of on this trajectory of it being kind of your business card, and I struggled with that honestly in the beginning because I'm really pretty heart centered. So I had to write from a place that was my story. It's nonfiction who I am and how I can kind of help others have hope and move forward with their life. But thanks to you and we were chatting before we even got on here I mean I remember I was DMing you like, oh my God, how do I do? How do I do the measurements? Because I self published. For those who don't know, my book is self published on Amazon and the hardest part is doing is uploading this on to Amazon, getting it published. Knowing the measurements, it's doable, but it's not easy. It's.
Speaker 2:You need somebody like Katie to walk you through that, because my brain is the creative side, it's not always the tactical side. So putting all that together and it has to be perfect has to line up with the cover and then the oh dear Lord, and how many pages you have. And you don't know how many pages you have until you upload it into the Amazon KDP and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So that's, how many times do I want to quit? I don't know about 100. And so thank God for my husband, who has just kept pushing me, pushing me, pushing me.
Speaker 2:At one point I'm like, oh my God, I can't do this. And so you need somebody to walk beside you, you need a cheerleader, you need somebody. That's why I believe in coaching a thousand percent. You need somebody that's gone before you in these difficult things. Go to the experts, go to people that have done it and can make it easier for you. There's no reason to make it hard on yourself because you'll quit. You won't do it, and that's why I mean I'm so grateful for you because you really were the launchpad for me. You really were. I'm like, wow, she can do these journals and these other things. And you were so gracious, katie. You were like responding to me, telling me okay, it has to be this measurement, that measurement, and you're like, I'm here for you if you need it. So it was wonderful. So shout out, I'm grateful because if it wasn't for you, I don't know. I don't know if I would have done it.
Speaker 1:You know, honestly, so nice to hear and I know, even for me when I was initially working through it, like those little pieces were just like you just wanted to close the computer and walk away and just have that frustration come out and you have to kind of be like no great, all right, come back to it re-center and move through it.
Speaker 1:But it's been so great to see that come true fruition and to be able to play like it was 100%. You and I was able to like be there for a tiny little bit, and so I appreciate that so much.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm grateful for you because it really was a lunch pad. You really were, and you were just so great in answering all the questions. And it gets sticky and messy, it's hard, it's so. Anyway, anyone that's out there wanting to do a book I know you've got your course coming up I highly, highly, highly would recommend that they participate. And if you're wanting to write a book, let Katie help you get it up there and publish, because that's the hardest part. It really is the writing. If you're a writer, that's kind of the easy part. Putting it all together and bringing it to life is the hardest part. Getting to that finish line is the hardest part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's very timely as well because I'm running a Intro to Publishing Challenge on the 22nd for three days of August and then that'll kind of evolve into. If you're someone who wants to continue with me, I will offer like a, I like alliteration, I like metaphors. So it's a publishing powerhouse program Over the course of five weeks to really take it from like idea all the way through to that finish line and getting that first review on Amazon. Because all props to Terry when she took a course with me it was like drinking fire hose, so she took it on all very well. I was like trying to get all the information out to people in one session and that was just credit to you for sitting through and being able to take that action. But yeah.
Speaker 1:I realized the teacher part of me needs to baby step it, so we get everyone to the finish line there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I'm excited. I'm glad you're doing this. It's awesome, it's going to be great. I'll probably show up there too, because I've got another book in me.
Speaker 1:So anyway, that would be so great to have you and to be able to have that second book and to continue being that published author there.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1:And to kind of switch transition a little bit differently as far as, like, what people will probably come up with when they're considering publishing. They're probably going to face some pretty big we'll call them limiting beliefs and those little gremlins that sit on your, on your shoulder and just go who are you to be doing this, or what can you offer? And all of those gremlin ish things that this that they kind of whisper in your ear and make you doubt yourself. Because I know like that adage of being a published author is held in such high regard for so many people and I know I even had.
Speaker 1:I mean, I started doing the journals, which are basically like notebooks that I crafted to be the prompts that I wanted, and I even felt when I got that book and it was like I was, it was like, congratulations, you're a published author. And I was like I'm emotional because this is something I wanted and that's what. Absolutely that's not even on the same level as what Terry did. But just to be able to get to that point and be able to be that published author, what kind of limiting beliefs did you have to really address and what can hopefully you can offer? Some people can see themselves in your story and in those thoughts that you might have had at the beginning. Is there anything that you'd like that jumps out at you as to those gremlins might have been saying?
Speaker 2:I'm laughing because I'm like how long do you have? I tell everybody you want to find out what you're made of. Write a book, because just about every limiting leaf you've ever had in your entire life shows up in a big way. For me, doubt you're not enough. Who are you? You don't have a college degree. Who's going to listen to you?
Speaker 2:Fear of it's a delicate tightrope walk when you're sharing personal stories about yourself and your life and you don't want to hurt other people that have hurt you, and so that's a very fine line too. If you're writing a nonfiction book and that's super scary and that comes up in a very big way, no, you shouldn't do this because, yeah, so doubt, fear, not qualified. Just about everything shows up and you've got to really do some emotional work. I say when you're writing, go somewhere, walk away from it for a few days. I mean, you've got to be on a pretty stringent, you've got to write.
Speaker 2:I say to everybody don't edit, just keep writing Hardest thing to do, but keep writing. And then sometimes go to your favorite place, go to your happy place. I had a coffee shop that's about up in the mountains, about an hour away from me. Put yourself in an environment where you feel uplifted and surround yourself with some people that will encourage you to keep moving forward, because you're going to want to quit about every other day, especially as you get to the end, and it's scary putting yourself out there it really is and reach out to me, I'll encourage you. I'll say, keep going. You got Katie, but yeah, just about every limiting belief shows up in a very big way and you got to do some real mental work and really identify that.
Speaker 1:So yeah, With the work, obviously, like it's never just a one thing. That is the like magic squasha of all of these doubts. Was there something that really opened you up to kind of starting to chip away at that? Was there like a coach or a mentor that you had that you really leaned on as far as getting rid of those little limiting beliefs?
Speaker 2:I think for me it was the program I took and that community of people kind of walking along beside each other, encouraging each other and then publishing your books, setting their deadlines, doing it. Once I saw people sharing their success and actually putting their books out there I was like, okay, I can do this, and we were all kind of sharing our you know what we were struggling with and then people are cheering you on, saying you got this, you can do this. That for sure was, that was the tool. The community is what really got me through and realizing if they can do it, so can I, I can do it. So yeah, definitely yeah, you need people to walk beside you to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the community is honestly everything, and even like me, getting to this point of having a podcast offering programs is because of, like, the coaching program that Terry and I were in together. We were seeing other people's success as we went along with that whole idea of if they can do it, I can do it, and so that's kind of definitely been my momentum, and definitely Terry's momentum as well, and a little, I suppose, teaser that I will offer as well with the publishing powerhouse program.
Speaker 1:I'm also going to offer a community at the end of that because I realize that being alone and doing that by yourself why you most people are more than capable and more than determined to do that that aspect of community is something that keeps you going, and when you see other people succeed, that's your fuel to the fire, and then you can share each other's successes and celebrate and, of course, Terry and I are more than willing to celebrate your successes and give that cheerleading factor to yeah 100%.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've heard people say different. You know mentors out there say that community is a new currency, and it's really true. I think COVID kind of proved that to us, how important it is to stay connected with other humans and it's important to be transparent and share your success. Share what you're doing. It's not arrogant, it's, in a way, if you can step beyond that and share what you're doing because other people want that motivation, other people, just like you said, they want to believe that they can do it too, and the only way they're going to know that they can is by seeing other people do it. So great point, katie, really great point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and even the whole, like COVID turning everything on its head and the community piece it's been. It's interesting, it's kind of challenged, I suppose us as a society as well, like the Australian in me. There's a phenomenon in Australia that says it's like it's called tall poppy syndrome. So it's like, based on actual poppies, that if one poppy starts to rise up a little bit higher towards the sun, like these poppies are flowers and the others will actually strangle the roots of the poppy that's growing up higher than the rest of them. Like it's I don't even know how to describe it, but it's the fact that it's a phenomena, that it happens, and it's also a cultural thing.
Speaker 1:So like if you're sharing your successes, if you're sharing those wins, people tend to cut you down and not in a pleasant way.
Speaker 1:They're like tell you you're too big for your boots, or britches or whatever it is. So like for me at least, and I'm sure the majority of Australian culture and also other people from other cultures as well it's like hard to get past that piece of being able to share those wins and know you're in a safe space, that people won't try and pick you apart or things like that. So having a community of that's of aspiring values, rather than just, sometimes, the people that you may be in community with like in physical space or family space. They might not be as the most encouraging because they might not fully understand, whereas if you're in a focused kind of community with people who are working towards similar things as you, then you can really have that celebration and just know the power in community and things. People who don't understand the entrepreneurial side take it with a grain of salt, because I think there's more people out there that just don't understand what we're hoping to do.
Speaker 2:So 100% that's. I mean that's fascinating. What a great story and visualization too. Like I really believe that I mean it's interesting that you really have to get strong and truly, as you change, I think, to much of this point, not everybody's going to go along with you. Somebody just said people at first think you're crazy and then they say then they wonder how you did it. So once you kind of achieve what you're trying to do, so it's super important to pay attention to the people that you have around you I think that's a really, really powerful point and definitely surround yourself with people that are kind of on that same journey, because they'll get it and they'll, they will uplift you. But that's a great point. What a great visualization. So interesting.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it was interesting because I didn't actually realize how much it affected me until I came to the US and I'm living here for a little bit of time. I'm looking around, I'm like, oh, this is not only is it physically different, but like the I don't know, the encouragement is a different level, so it's nice.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's so interesting. I mean so even when we talk about these limiting beliefs too. We've got cultural and familial limiting beliefs, that kind of generational things that are in us too that we have to overcome. So so interesting, really fascinating. I love that, love hearing that, and I mean you've done an amazing job overcoming that. You know, just fun to watch you step forward with your life too. Really, really great, really great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, even those, those little tiny baby steps, everything like when you look back you're like wow, I've actually taken a lot of steps, even if they are only tiny, tiny steps, like anything stepping forward is that momentum that we need to eventually get to where we're looking to get to, and there's so many different ways that.
Speaker 2:I can take this. Sorry, I'll just listen.
Speaker 1:It's no, it's really good like to be able to like looking at that reflection piece and looking at like taking those stepping forward pieces. In one of Terry's most recent podcasts she talks about one of the many that I loved, but I'll highlight one. That was she was talking about the what ifs she that's the title of her episode and I will link it in the show notes as well so you can go ahead and listen to it as well. But the what if piece. I think you do a beautiful job holding up the mirror to people around you, and probably your coaching clients as well.
Speaker 1:Was there something that really inspired you to decide to sit down and share those? Your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:As far as what ifs, what if you I think I told you earlier just that I didn't want to. I don't want to leave anything behind, I want to is that where you're kind of, you're going with? I'm trying to remember some of this, like for me, the what if for me is what if I don't do this? What if I don't move forward with my life? What if I don't share my story, my truth, who I am? You know you will miss out on a lot in your life. You'll miss out joy, you'll miss out on really making a difference in others lives, and I anyway, I think that's is that where you're headed with that. Is that what you were asking?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I suppose you're like your intention of sitting down and record, like putting it all together, like taking all of those what ifs, grabbing them together and talking about them, for people to really do that self reflection.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just trying to remember specifically with that podcast episode because I and there's so many of that I've done with. I just want to encourage you.
Speaker 1:I'm probably putting you on the spot.
Speaker 2:No, it's okay, I'm just trying to remember specifically. There's someone that jumped out at me more than others and I'm just trying to remember specifically. But for me, the what if really is just what if we don't take these steps? What if we don't do these things? I mean, fear gets in the way of so much, it paralyzes us, it causes us to stay stuck, as I was sharing earlier, and for me that's been, that's been the driving force in everything I'm doing is if I stay silent, if I keep myself small, if I keep my voice small, then I'm missing out on helping other people move forward with their life. And that's really my heartbeat. That's really what I'm about. I want to make a difference in somebody's life.
Speaker 2:I love listening and learning about other people and hearing their stories. We all have a story. We've all been somewhere and come to where we are now. It's why we've landed here, and I think one of my favorite things that I share in the book is Dan Sullivan does this thing about the gap or standing in the gap, and we have to pause, and I'm the worst at this is we have to pause. If we look back at where we were and then we look at where we're headed. We have to acknowledge what brought us right here. Right, and we're never going to know if we don't look back and have see and pay attention to how far we've come. It's kind like what you're saying Every step we take is leads us to where we are right now, and we take the messy with the magnificent and that's what makes us who we are. So I hope I answered that correctly.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, definitely, definitely, dear Dan, and like even that episode and so many more of your episodes as well, like that you have such a beautiful way I think it's the coach in you. You have a beautiful way of holding up the mirror to people so they can see themselves in the questions you're asking and just then, that way, people will be like if they're open and receptive and they're like okay, I see, I can see where she's going with this and you can kind of have people turn internally for it. So I think that makes you a great, great coach.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, and I love, like you, I love the metaphors. So I just kind of have my brain think. So I'm always thinking that way If I can visualize it, then I can. I'm like oh, like, okay, I take away the emotion, I can visualize that. That just brings me right there.
Speaker 1:So anyway, absolutely and on the back of that. So what I like to do with the guests for each episode is so frequently we don't really get a chance to brag, and I know that's something that's really hard for us as people who are entrepreneurs, people who may have been raised to not speak up and share their accomplishments and the things that they're working on. Now, this humble brag from you can be a big thing. It can be a small thing, whatever you'd like to brag about for yourself, because then that way we give permission for other people to brag about themselves and their accomplishments. Wow.
Speaker 2:Well, probably where I started. I'm proud that I have four awesome kids. I'm proud to be a mother for adults that's my greatest joy. I'm proud I've been married 33 years, through really hard things, through wonderful things. I'm proud that I wrote my book step forward that is available on Amazon. And then I'm proud of my podcast, as you shared. Hello, breadlo, that's that's. That's my lifeblood. Like I sit here in the morning at my you know, at this desk with a cup of coffee and Just share my thoughts, it just puts me in a happy place. I love it Much like you. I'm now going to start doing more interviews again, but my favorite thing and now then, also working really on my step forward coaching program. I'm super proud of that.
Speaker 2:I just had a call with a with a friend, acquaintance friend, yesterday who I've known for years, and so she's one of these people who's been standing on the sidelines and she calls me. She said can you please help me? This is what I want to do. I'm watching you. I've seen you do this. I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 2:I'm like, seriously, you've been watching me all this time, you and I and that's the part of me that's like you know I we've been through really hard things and you kind of play small and you're afraid. But when you just kind of put yourself out there, people are paying attention and you become the springboard for them, stepping forward with their own life. And so for me, yesterday she almost made me cry, like I was just so touched by her words and that that was a. That was a bright moment, because a humble moment that I thought, wow, okay, people are watching and I'm. I am making a difference in somebody's life.
Speaker 2:That's really what it's about for me. So, and to be here, thank you, thank you to be here today to meet wonderful people like you, wonderful women that are stepping forward with their life and doing scary and hard things and making a difference in the world. The world needs you. You know we, the self-education industry is the fastest growing industry now. They say it's going to sink 168 billion by the end of the year. I think it's going to do so. People want to learn, some people that have already done things, and I'm grateful I get to learn from you too, and thank you, thank you for this opportunity to be here.
Speaker 1:Oh it's, I mean, granted, it's amazing that I've had a chance to connect with you and to be able to see everything that you've went through and putting out there and being able to have that humble brag moment and really kind of taking pride in yourself. And I think when we acknowledge our accomplishments we can kind of like sit up a little bit taller, shoulders back, like breathe a little bit taller, those kind of things. Then you, it's such a great moment that you had with a friend that she Was calling you to kind of say, hey, like this is something I've seen sorry, pardon me and to be able to make that impact because I think, like, once again, that reach that we have is far more than we realize. So you mentioned your step forward coaching program. So I'd love for you to tell us a little bit more about that, where we can connect with you, where we can join and all of those kind of things.
Speaker 2:Awesome, yep, reach out to me. You can DM me on Facebook, probably the best way. It's a six week program that I'm doing at this time and so I I have kind of four pillars kind of start, where we are helping you overcome limiting beliefs, helping you take that courageous action, and then going and radiate your gifts and talents out of the world and going for it. And so I have kind of a deep dive in the beginning, kind of figuring out who you are and what you're about and what your goals are and Kind of what's gotten in your way, what's not working. Have you do kind of this really super fun little personality test and and kind of walk you through that and hope you help you, kind of like, with what you're doing, with your you know your five weeks or six week program and then if people need more, I'm happy to help them with more than that. But that's what I'm doing and I'm it's lighting me up, I'm having a blast. I'm meeting some amazing women.
Speaker 2:I helped midlife women. Sorry, men, but I helped midlife women. That's that. It's midlife women that want to step forward and do something else with this second half of their life. I don't really tell them what to do. I just guide them through the process, kind of a self discovery. They need to find out for themselves, but I just want to encourage them what's possible and know that they can do it. So thank you for that. Yeah, love it bites me up.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and it's. It's awesome watching you like light up when you talk about that, as well like to be able to know You're helping people and your it's that we've gotten to a certain point and we turn inward for that permission and we don't need to turn outward for that permission, that we we get to that level of like. Nope, okay, I've written myself my permission slip. I'm gonna go ahead and do it because it's what I want to do and it's what's lighting me up. So that's awesome.
Speaker 1:So thank you very much for for moving into that space and to be able to offer that to people and to use it In a way that helps the people that are coming behind us to see their gifts and to see their opportunity. So thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you, thank you, thank you for that. Thank you for having me here today. It's been wonderful. I just have so much respect for you and I'm grateful for the women that we met in this group like. It's just so much fun to see everybody and the community that's come out of that. I'm all about women kind of moving forward and doing things, and so it just excites me and it's been fun to watch you grow to. You're doing awesome things and everybody out there needs to take your publishing course. If you want to write a book, call Katie.
Speaker 1:Yep, happy to help anyone and everyone and all of the things, everything self-publishing. Yeah, is there anything you'd like to add to call this chat complete.
Speaker 2:No, I just want women I always end my podcast and a lot of my my lives and things that I do. I just want women to know that they are seen, they heard their love, they're valued and they belong, no matter their age, and to step forward with your life Because you have an opportunity in this season's life we're living longer to fulfill your dreams. It's never too late. That's what I would impair them with. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's amazing. Thank you so much for those for sharing your story, for sharing your messages and for putting the offers out in the world that you do. You're helping more people than you realize and I think even Most recently we've we've learned that Reach and everything. We may not always say it, but know that the people are watching what you do.
Speaker 1:When they're, they may be just cheering you on silently, so is to cheering each other on Loudly and to be able to put it out there and say, hey, what you're doing I think is amazing, and to be able to have those conversations. But that's it for us. Thank you everyone for joining in. I hope you enjoyed the chat. We would love to have you reach out with any key takeaways that you might have had to both Myself and also terry. I'll pop the details to reach out to us in the show notes. That way, we would love to hear from you, to hear what resonated with you and what may be action items you might take and Stepping forward into things that you may have been putting off or are just outside of that comfort bubble that we all have. So use to next time. Thank you for everyone for joining, thank you.